Hi. Please respond to one of the following discussion questions:
Part 1 (due 10/25)
Part 1 (due 10/25)
- 1. In the first entry from the gleaning journal of H. S. Curie states, “We must, by law, keep a record of the innocents we kill. And as I see it, they’re all innocents. Even the guilty.” Why does Curie see mankind as both innocent and guilty? In your opinion, does that matter?
2. Why can “gleaning” not be referred to as “killing”? Why does this society believe it’s socially or morally incorrect to call it such? Do you agree? How does the role of the scythe fit into that complex system?
- Part 2 (due 10/27)
Now, please read your classmates' responses and respond to their opinions. Please complete this assignment at least twice.
Part 3 (due 10/27)
Respond to your classmates' responses to your opinion
It’s socially incorrect to say killing instead of gleaning because scythes are there to stop the world from over population. Honestly it has to be done in order for the city to run smoothly but it still stinks that random people get gleaned. A scythe’s role in the gleaning system is to be the “receiver “, they just give people what they need to complete the gleaning process.
ReplyDeleteThe government/ society calls it gleaning instead of killing to seem less morbid and to make it sound better and not like they are psychopaths for letting people kill random people for population control. This is why they see it as socially or morally incorrect to call gleaning killing. I think they should just call it killing, but if they did I feel like people would not be for it as much. So calling it gleaning just makes everyone feel less guilty. The role of the scythe fits into this complex system because they are the ones who pick the gleaning victims, they also do the gleaning themselves and have a certain number of gleanings that they have to do per year. If the scythes did not do their job, the earth would be terribly overpopulated and everyone would suffer.
ReplyDeleteGleaning can’t be referred to as killing because it is not by choice but something that has to be done. Society deems it socially or morally incorrect to call it “killing” because the gleaning process aids in stoping overpopulation. I agree with that statement because if it were called “killing” it would have a negative feel which is not the case. The role of the scythe fits into this complex system by accomplishing a job that many could not do.
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ReplyDeleteI feel that society says it is socially incorrect to call gleaning killing because it makes it easier to accept or understand. It is hard to wrap your head around innocent people dying just because someone said so. Even though people know that it has to happen to keep from overpopulating, but that doesn’t make it much easier.
ReplyDeleteI guess you could also say that calling killing gleaning says that hey I’m not killing them by choice, but it has to happen to keep from overpopulating which also makes it “right” or farther from being wrong if that makes sense.
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ReplyDeleteGleaning can not be referred to as killing because that would make it seem terrible and extremely bad. The society believes it is socially and morally incorrect to call what the scythes do killing because it makes it seem as if they are psychotic people who take innocent human beings' lives for no reason. I agree that the society should call it gleaning because it makes what the scythes have to do seem as less violent and crazy. The role of the scythe fit into this complex system simply because they are the ones who have to do the gleaning meaning they are removing people from the population so it doesn't become overpopulated.
ReplyDeleteGleaning is not referred to as killing because it is apart of the worlds processs in everything so it’s not necessarily killing if it is to stop the world from over populating . I honestly somewhat agree. The scythe fits into this complex system because it is their job to glean people so the world won’t become over populated.
ReplyDeleteThe government makes the society refer to it as gleaning instead of killing because they want it to seem like a simple thing that scythes are obligated to do, rather than the bad, scary thing that it really is. They call it gleaning because they are trying to make it seem like it isn't a big deal, which is why the society believes it is socially and morally wrong to call it killing. I think they should just call it killing, because that is what it truly is. Even though it isn't what the people want to hear, I think they need to accept it. Scythes fit into this complex system because their role is to choose the gleaning victims and preform the cleaning, even though they don't necessarily want to.
ReplyDeleteSociety believes it is inmorally correct to use the term killing instead of the term gleaning. Society wants to view killing as gleaning, because killing others is not a choice the scythes chose to do. The scythes have to glean, because they want to prevent the world from overpopulating. I agree, but I also disagree. I agree that the scythes did not want to glean others so, they choose to call killing gleaning. I also disagree, because you are still murdering others. The scythe's role fits into the complex system, because it is the scythe's job to glean people so the world will not become overpopulated. If the scythes did not exist, then the world would become overpopulated with resources running low.
ReplyDeleteCurie sees mankind as both innocent and guilty because innocent people can also be guilty, which is true. The innoncent can do something that makes them guilty. You don’t have to be charged with a felony to be considered guilty. You could do something that other people don’t see as guilty, but you personally feel guilty for doing it. In my opinion, it doesn’t matter. The scythes are gleaning people whether they are innocent or not.
ReplyDeleteGleaning is not referred as killing because killing is deemed as "gruesome" and to water down the fact that it is a horrible thing to commit. This is the overall reason that they deem it morally wrong to refer gleaning as killing. I feel they should call it killing because it is simply what it is, but if that were to happen the response of that would be negative. Though the Scythes society, uses that to reduce world population, so naturally they would use that to numb the negativity of it.
ReplyDelete"Gleaning" is the "socially and morally correct" way to refer to the killings Scythe's must commit. They see these acts as a "crucial service for society" and as an act of "charity". Calling it "killing" instead would provoke a negative connotation and imply these duties are a crime. Gleaning is required to prevent overpopulation and maintain a balance between society's death rate and birth rate. A Scythe's job in this complex system is to help maintain this balance. Selections made for gleaning are almost always based on preventing a problem like Kohl Whitlock. Kohl drank and owned an automobile, making him the perfect profile for gleaning , considering alcohol induced car accidents rates had been up previously. He was irresponsible, making him more likely to cause an accident. His death helps prevent a problem, proving that selections for gleaning are reasonable. If you're reading this, you may disagree with my claim that gleaning selections are reasonable based on the random parking lot women's death. It is mentioned in the book by the Scythe that in the last days of the Age of Mortality, parking lot death rates were high. If immortality wasn't a thing, she was likely to be a victim of an accident based on her time and location either way. Her selection wasn't random, it was planned and based on factual ratings of the past. It is mentioned that Scythe apprentices learn history along with many other things. This leads me to believe that their decisions on who to glean are most likely responsible and carefully selected. Calling these mandatory actions "killing" implies that it is murder, when in reality, it is mandatory for survival. Referring to this as "killing" also suggests there is a guilty party. In this case, there isn't. That is why I agree with a Scythe's perspective of "gleaning".
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Delete"Gleaning" is the "socially and morally correct" way to refer to the killings Scythe's must commit. They see these acts as a "crucial service for society" and as an act of "charity". Calling it "killing" instead would provoke a negative connotation and imply these duties are a crime. Gleaning is required to prevent overpopulation and maintain a balance between society's death rate and birth rate. A Scythe's job in this complex system is to help maintain this balance. Selections made for gleaning are almost always based on preventing a problem like Kohl Whitlock. Kohl drank and owned an automobile, making him the perfect profile for gleaning , considering alcohol induced car accidents rates had been up previously. He was irresponsible, making him more likely to cause an accident. His death helps prevent a problem, proving that selections for gleaning are reasonable. If you're reading this, you may disagree with my claim that gleaning selections are reasonable based on the random parking lot women's death. It is mentioned in the book by the Scythe that in the last days of the Age of Mortality, parking lot death rates were high. If immortality wasn't a thing, she was likely to be a victim of an accident based on her time and location either way. Her selection wasn't random, it was planned and based on factual ratings of the past. It is mentioned that Scythe apprentices learn history along with many other things. This leads me to believe that their decisions on who to glean are most likely responsible and carefully selected. Calling these mandatory actions "killing" implies that it is murder, when in reality, it is mandatory for survival. Referring to this as "killing" also suggests there is a guilty party. In this case, there isn't. That is why I agree with a Scythe's perspective of "gleaning".
ReplyDeleteGleaning is a more suitable and moral because in their society “gleaning” has its very own contrast from killing. Killing to them has a negative connotation and basically is a unneeded crime but Gleaning is a necessary action to keep order in their society. Do not agree though because gleaning and killing are literally synonyms and they might as well use killing also since that’s sort of the meaning of gleaning. But we’re different so i can see why they think that and why i believe this.
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ReplyDeleteEven the guiltiest of people have a shred of that childhood innocence engrained within them. Mankind is seen as both innocent and guilty by the scythe, H.S. Curie.
Only the people who would most refuse to kill would be chosen to become scythes. Rowan and Citra are chosen for their empathy and innocence. However, their minds are altered because of their own morbid self interest. This makes them both guilty and innocent because even though they do not want to kill they still make the choice to became Scythe Faraday's apprentices.
It does not matter if someone is innocent or guilty because either way they are chosen to get killed. You cannot stop a scythe from gleaning. Once a person is picked it cannot be undone.
Society calls the Scythes' "killing" gleaning because, in the "Days of Mortality", killing was considered a horrific deed. It was seen as completely unnecessary and inhumane. With this scary connotation that lingered around the word it would only seem fit to change the name to gleaning. Although it is very much considered killing, it is also a brutal necessity, carried out by a Scythe, that a society could only except with a word to mask its true identity. Once you changed the word to killing it only grew more morbid which Is why society might deem it unworthy or incorrect to call it by this. I do personally agree that it should be called this if the first creators were to have tried to create a perfect world. If you didn't this world may have never been possible.
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ReplyDeleteGleaning can not be referred to as killing because that is not socially correct. If everytime they gleaned someone they called it killing then it would make it sound a lot worse than what is actually happening. Instead of it seeming like something that has to be done it makes it sound like they are crazy and just killing for the fun of it. I do agree with this because it makes it seem a lot worse than it actually is and it is more socially correct than using the term killing. The scythes fit into this complex system because they have to pick the gleaning victims and they are obliged to perform the gleaning of the innocent citizens to prevent overpopulation in their cities.
Gleaning is not reffered to as killing in scythe because of the role the scythes have in their society. Because of the human race practically living forever in this book, overpopulation has become a big problem since most natural causes of death that happened before the thundercloud are no more. Therefore, scythes are given the job of randomly choosing people to glean since people do not die naturally. The books society believes that it is socially appropriate to call it gleaning instead of killing because the scythes are given this job and it's the only way to prevent overpopulation. I agree with this gleaning since nobody really ever knows when they will die currently, and since nobody dies naturally, the scythes are to randomly choose these people to gleam.
ReplyDeleteCurie sees mankind as both innocent and guilty because no matter what they've done, they still die against their will. I think the whole concept of selective killing is problematic, but if I had to make an algorithm, I'd kill the ones guilty of violent crimes first. I think eliminating natural death is extremely I humane and I hope as a society, we never get to that point.
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Theo- The reason that gleaning can't be referred to as Killing is because the term "Killing" was used in the time before society took away natural death. This society thinks that "Killing" was a choice and now "Gleaning" is necessary. Since they made the decision to take away natural death, I think that it is Ok to refrain from using the term "Killing". Scythes fit into all this because they are the ones who have to glean people in order for the population to maintain stability.
ReplyDeleteIt is much more respectful to refer to killing as gleaning instead. It's also easier to wrap your head around the idea that people are dying for a cause than just dying just to die.The society believes it's socially and morally correct to call killing gleaning because it makes it more understandable. They agreed that gleaning was to happen because of the overpopulation of the world therefore they knew it had to be done for the greater good. I agree that they should call it gleaning because killing makes it seem more harsh. Most of the killings are also done with less pain than they would feel if they actually experienced real life death. Their gleaned deaths are quicker and simplier. The role of the scythe is to glean humans from their lives. This makes them fit into such a complex system of society because they singled out above everyone else in a certain way.
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ReplyDeleteGleaning means killing. The Scythes call it gleaning because their job is to filter through the population to make sure the world doesn't become overpopulated. I feel they also call it gleaning for the purpose of making it sound more humane. I also feel as if they should just call it killing because that is what they are doing, and I feel they are trying to hide the fact that they are killing people by calling it a less violent word.
Gleaning is not referred to as killing in scythe because they feel as if that is a negative way to think on their role they play in society. The population is increasing dramatically because of the fact all the natural causes of death are gone. The only way to decrease is to have people known as scythes randomly choose different people to glean since there is no more natural ways of human death. Society believes that it is morally/socially incorrect to call the act killing because they are handed down the job to glean many people in order to decrease overpopulation. I agree yet disagree with the idea because now people are getting gleaned and they can't even put up a fight. They should be able to at least make it where everyone has the ability but not everyday but for a short period of time so then people can live the rest of their part of their life in peace. Yet, I feel the concept is great because they are able to decrease overpopulation which is a great way for life to continue calmly without major problems. -Alex Bowles
ReplyDeleteGleaning is not referred to as killing because over time the word killing has formed this negative connotation that causes people to see it as something that is not socially correct. Gleaning on the other hand is something new and different it is portrayed to people as something that is a necessity. Gleaning should not be referred to as killing because they are two different things and shouldn't be confused. Killing is a choice while gleaning is something that has to be done. I feel that It would be socially incorrect to confuse the two because killing produces a negative view towards the scythes and their jobs and that could lead to problems with people rebelling against what the scythes are having to do.
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